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		<title>By: Douglas Welch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Douglas Welch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Nov 2010 07:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Serialized Science Fiction and Fantasy magazines have existed since before the golden days of Si Fi. I own some that are more than eighty years old. They emerged and submerged like a porpoising submarine. All of the classic writers ,Heinlein, Clarke, Asimov, Bradbury, etc. published first in serial pubs, and then novels.
The major reason all the Sci Fi &#039;zines died is because the cost of killing trees, and turning them into pages, outstripped the revenue that could be pried out of the subscriber&#039;s and advertiser&#039;s hands. The internet has changed that.
This might be the time and place to create a serialized magazine, but it may be that we should look at the models that the online publishers are using, and possibly adapt some aspects of  those models to the implementation of this concept. Perhaps the author should become a partner, and share in the revenues, rather than being paid up front.
One hook that might succeed is if the sci-fi or fantasy theme was cutting edge. Something like Gibson did with Nuromancer. Break into a new ground rather than the same old boy (girl) meets alien, or sword and sorcery. You almost did it with your Devil and... series of books. (Neat concept by the way, write more of them.)
Use innovative concepts like starting a story thread and then inviting contributions that carry the thread into a full-blown serial with multiple contributors. Make it a contest. Another idea. Use a public domain classic sci-fi story, invite subscribers to jazz the story up to modern standards, and submit it. Just a few ideas.
I have an idea for a Sci Fi theme. How about a future society in which the only people who know how to read are the Pod Cast announcers. Need I say more?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Serialized Science Fiction and Fantasy magazines have existed since before the golden days of Si Fi. I own some that are more than eighty years old. They emerged and submerged like a porpoising submarine. All of the classic writers ,Heinlein, Clarke, Asimov, Bradbury, etc. published first in serial pubs, and then novels.<br />
The major reason all the Sci Fi &#8216;zines died is because the cost of killing trees, and turning them into pages, outstripped the revenue that could be pried out of the subscriber&#8217;s and advertiser&#8217;s hands. The internet has changed that.<br />
This might be the time and place to create a serialized magazine, but it may be that we should look at the models that the online publishers are using, and possibly adapt some aspects of  those models to the implementation of this concept. Perhaps the author should become a partner, and share in the revenues, rather than being paid up front.<br />
One hook that might succeed is if the sci-fi or fantasy theme was cutting edge. Something like Gibson did with Nuromancer. Break into a new ground rather than the same old boy (girl) meets alien, or sword and sorcery. You almost did it with your Devil and&#8230; series of books. (Neat concept by the way, write more of them.)<br />
Use innovative concepts like starting a story thread and then inviting contributions that carry the thread into a full-blown serial with multiple contributors. Make it a contest. Another idea. Use a public domain classic sci-fi story, invite subscribers to jazz the story up to modern standards, and submit it. Just a few ideas.<br />
I have an idea for a Sci Fi theme. How about a future society in which the only people who know how to read are the Pod Cast announcers. Need I say more?</p>
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		<title>By: Claudette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Claudette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 22:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many of us don&#039;t do podcasts. I for one don&#039;t have time to bother. I will take the time to read the old-fashioned way, though. Sometimes, all new isn&#039;t all wise.

Claudette</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many of us don&#8217;t do podcasts. I for one don&#8217;t have time to bother. I will take the time to read the old-fashioned way, though. Sometimes, all new isn&#8217;t all wise.</p>
<p>Claudette</p>
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		<title>By: Claudette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Claudette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 22:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll play devil&#039;s advocate here. Authors are continually encouraged to read the competition, the market, the mags to see where trends are headed, how certain styles are comparing to others, etc. If the author realizes that within his grasp is the perfect tool to do this type of research--especially a new writer--he/she may well open that wallet and dispence with the necessary cash to buy a season.

I like this idea. Even before writing I read serials because I could follow a developing story without having to suck it down in one sitting. 

I, also, would like to avoid PayPal is at all possible. Just saying...

Claudette</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll play devil&#8217;s advocate here. Authors are continually encouraged to read the competition, the market, the mags to see where trends are headed, how certain styles are comparing to others, etc. If the author realizes that within his grasp is the perfect tool to do this type of research&#8211;especially a new writer&#8211;he/she may well open that wallet and dispence with the necessary cash to buy a season.</p>
<p>I like this idea. Even before writing I read serials because I could follow a developing story without having to suck it down in one sitting. </p>
<p>I, also, would like to avoid PayPal is at all possible. Just saying&#8230;</p>
<p>Claudette</p>
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		<title>By: S. Megan Payne</title>
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		<dc:creator>S. Megan Payne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:10:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Analog Science Fiction and Fact publishes some wonderful serials, and I enjoy reading them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Analog Science Fiction and Fact publishes some wonderful serials, and I enjoy reading them.</p>
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		<title>By: judyrosella</title>
		<link>http://hollylisle.com/the-hard-cold-publishing-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-7461</link>
		<dc:creator>judyrosella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 12:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Intriguing idea, Holly. The podcast is dead on. A good podcast requires nothing more than a good announcer. Skip the sound-effects. And podcasts are not just for kids. My husband is in his 60&#039;s and just bought his second or third iPod and loads it up for listening to at the health club. He would LOVE this, I&#039;m sure.

Plus, the idea of the serial is very current. We are no longer captives of &quot;scheduled&quot; tv. Between hulu.com, netflix &quot;watch instantly&quot; and the network episodes on line, we often go back and watch an entire season of episodes of shows we never saw before. We often watch episodes when we want -- and as many as we want, at one time.

I do the same with lists I subscribe to. It&#039;s a new world. Take advantage of how people live. It&#039;s great to have serials -- and to determine when you want to &quot;view&quot; them.

Plus, I like the green aspect.

I was intrigued by the numbers. I have been toying with the idea of doing something similar in the non-fiction realm. 

You have the edge of being so well-known. If you were an unpublished author without an audience or any real credentials, I&#039;d be worried. But you&#039;ll get a draw.

I&#039;m not willing to say &quot;yeah&quot; nor &quot;nay&quot; -- but I&#039;ll be watching with great anticipation to see what pans out.

As always, I&#039;m impressed with the vigor you bring to any project! 

Best of luck, 
Judy Rosella</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Intriguing idea, Holly. The podcast is dead on. A good podcast requires nothing more than a good announcer. Skip the sound-effects. And podcasts are not just for kids. My husband is in his 60&#8242;s and just bought his second or third iPod and loads it up for listening to at the health club. He would LOVE this, I&#8217;m sure.</p>
<p>Plus, the idea of the serial is very current. We are no longer captives of &#8220;scheduled&#8221; tv. Between hulu.com, netflix &#8220;watch instantly&#8221; and the network episodes on line, we often go back and watch an entire season of episodes of shows we never saw before. We often watch episodes when we want &#8212; and as many as we want, at one time.</p>
<p>I do the same with lists I subscribe to. It&#8217;s a new world. Take advantage of how people live. It&#8217;s great to have serials &#8212; and to determine when you want to &#8220;view&#8221; them.</p>
<p>Plus, I like the green aspect.</p>
<p>I was intrigued by the numbers. I have been toying with the idea of doing something similar in the non-fiction realm. </p>
<p>You have the edge of being so well-known. If you were an unpublished author without an audience or any real credentials, I&#8217;d be worried. But you&#8217;ll get a draw.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not willing to say &#8220;yeah&#8221; nor &#8220;nay&#8221; &#8212; but I&#8217;ll be watching with great anticipation to see what pans out.</p>
<p>As always, I&#8217;m impressed with the vigor you bring to any project! </p>
<p>Best of luck,<br />
Judy Rosella</p>
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		<title>By: Geekomancer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geekomancer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 00:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regardless of whether or not theres an accompanying podcast, I think you&#039;d get strong support in the podcast fiction community. Just a thought.</description>
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		<title>By: manverinyel</title>
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		<dc:creator>manverinyel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 22:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is my first post on your site, so first of all, thanks for all the work you do with new writers!  It&#039;s been a lot of help.

I would probably subscribe, at least to give it a try.  There&#039;s enough potential reading material out there that any reader can afford to be picky, and honestly, I&#039;ve found myself getting drawn _away_ from fantasy lately, even though fantasy is still my favorite genre, because &quot;the good adventure story&quot; standard tends to supercede the &quot;good writing&quot; standard.  That means that in order to get me to renew my subscription, I don&#039;t want to see _just_ good adventures, but good adventures with three-dimensional, psychologically compelling characters, and beautiful prose.  (And that doesn&#039;t mean it has to be high-level, only-someone-with-a-phd-in-English-could-appreciate &quot;prose,&quot; but I do like to see strong imagery, creative word choice, etc.)  Sure, you&#039;ll have submissions coming out the ears, but the trick will be finding _good_ writers.

Also, while some people may find big-name writers a compelling reason to buy a magazine, I tend to steer away from those magazines just because I know any big-name writer will have their stuff published in some book or other later on, and I can read it then.  (The plain old book is still my favorite reading format.)  I go for magazines that have quality, worthwhile material I&#039;m _not_ likely to find elsewhere.  However, if you were to include material besides stories--&quot;extras&quot; like (short, relevant) articles, poems, interviews with big-name authors or spoilers on their upcoming works, etc.  I realize every extra page costs money to design but not nearly as much as it would in a printed magazine, so I think it would pay off in the extra readers you&#039;d attract.  Also, I actually enjoy a few ads in my magazines but it&#039;s important that they be _relevant_ ads.  Ads become annoying when they&#039;re for something I&#039;m definitely _not_ interested in.  An ad for a medication in a gardening magazine is a put-off.  An ad for Celtic jewelry in a renaissance reenactment magazine is attractive.

I miss the idea of being able to &quot;tip&quot; part of the magazine&#039;s subscription to price to your favorite writers, but I understand you&#039;re already concerned with the money involved and not being able to attract enough readers.  Perhaps it&#039;s an idea worth filing, though, to bring out if the magazine becomes a success?

I would not buy the magazine in an audio format, but I do think a short (10-minute,) free podcast that includes read excerpts and maybe an interview or two would be a very useful advertising gimmick.  That is definitely one would I would get hooked into a subscribing to a project like this.  The other way were if I saw the banner/endorsement on the website of a big-name author I knew and liked.

In general, even with television serials and multi-volume novels by big-name writers, I like to wait until the entire season/story is finished and then buy and read it all in one fell swoop.  I know a lot of people who do that now.  That doesn&#039;t mean I wouldn&#039;t subscribe to a serial; it just means I would wait until I&#039;d already received several editions, enough to complete a story, then read that story and wait until another one were completed to read it.  Just something to keep in mind, perhaps, as you continue to tweak your plans.

I agree with everyone else that the trick is to hit the ground running.  The main thing would be a heck of an advertising campaign.  You&#039;d have to be exploiting every possible option out there, and probably be willing to invest in advertising the zine in printed magazines, even paperback books, and most important of all, like I already said, getting as many other well-established authors as you can to endorse the project and mention it on their sites/in their newsletters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is my first post on your site, so first of all, thanks for all the work you do with new writers!  It&#8217;s been a lot of help.</p>
<p>I would probably subscribe, at least to give it a try.  There&#8217;s enough potential reading material out there that any reader can afford to be picky, and honestly, I&#8217;ve found myself getting drawn _away_ from fantasy lately, even though fantasy is still my favorite genre, because &#8220;the good adventure story&#8221; standard tends to supercede the &#8220;good writing&#8221; standard.  That means that in order to get me to renew my subscription, I don&#8217;t want to see _just_ good adventures, but good adventures with three-dimensional, psychologically compelling characters, and beautiful prose.  (And that doesn&#8217;t mean it has to be high-level, only-someone-with-a-phd-in-English-could-appreciate &#8220;prose,&#8221; but I do like to see strong imagery, creative word choice, etc.)  Sure, you&#8217;ll have submissions coming out the ears, but the trick will be finding _good_ writers.</p>
<p>Also, while some people may find big-name writers a compelling reason to buy a magazine, I tend to steer away from those magazines just because I know any big-name writer will have their stuff published in some book or other later on, and I can read it then.  (The plain old book is still my favorite reading format.)  I go for magazines that have quality, worthwhile material I&#8217;m _not_ likely to find elsewhere.  However, if you were to include material besides stories&#8211;&#8221;extras&#8221; like (short, relevant) articles, poems, interviews with big-name authors or spoilers on their upcoming works, etc.  I realize every extra page costs money to design but not nearly as much as it would in a printed magazine, so I think it would pay off in the extra readers you&#8217;d attract.  Also, I actually enjoy a few ads in my magazines but it&#8217;s important that they be _relevant_ ads.  Ads become annoying when they&#8217;re for something I&#8217;m definitely _not_ interested in.  An ad for a medication in a gardening magazine is a put-off.  An ad for Celtic jewelry in a renaissance reenactment magazine is attractive.</p>
<p>I miss the idea of being able to &#8220;tip&#8221; part of the magazine&#8217;s subscription to price to your favorite writers, but I understand you&#8217;re already concerned with the money involved and not being able to attract enough readers.  Perhaps it&#8217;s an idea worth filing, though, to bring out if the magazine becomes a success?</p>
<p>I would not buy the magazine in an audio format, but I do think a short (10-minute,) free podcast that includes read excerpts and maybe an interview or two would be a very useful advertising gimmick.  That is definitely one would I would get hooked into a subscribing to a project like this.  The other way were if I saw the banner/endorsement on the website of a big-name author I knew and liked.</p>
<p>In general, even with television serials and multi-volume novels by big-name writers, I like to wait until the entire season/story is finished and then buy and read it all in one fell swoop.  I know a lot of people who do that now.  That doesn&#8217;t mean I wouldn&#8217;t subscribe to a serial; it just means I would wait until I&#8217;d already received several editions, enough to complete a story, then read that story and wait until another one were completed to read it.  Just something to keep in mind, perhaps, as you continue to tweak your plans.</p>
<p>I agree with everyone else that the trick is to hit the ground running.  The main thing would be a heck of an advertising campaign.  You&#8217;d have to be exploiting every possible option out there, and probably be willing to invest in advertising the zine in printed magazines, even paperback books, and most important of all, like I already said, getting as many other well-established authors as you can to endorse the project and mention it on their sites/in their newsletters.</p>
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		<title>By: Katze</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 21:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do like the idea and I would buy a season or two any time. What I was wondering is if the e-zine will only do Fantasy and SciFi? I think it would be nice to have one short story each issue that overlaps into another genre (e.g. love story, history, mystery, crime). It could be a one out, that is a story that doesn&#039;t get followed up by a serial ... Just an idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do like the idea and I would buy a season or two any time. What I was wondering is if the e-zine will only do Fantasy and SciFi? I think it would be nice to have one short story each issue that overlaps into another genre (e.g. love story, history, mystery, crime). It could be a one out, that is a story that doesn&#8217;t get followed up by a serial &#8230; Just an idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack E. McCarty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack E. McCarty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 04:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The sample issues idea is in line with what I have been thinking. However, I would suggest that the sample issues be special issues offered only a few times a year, that are shorter and without every feature. There would be adds for the missing features.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sample issues idea is in line with what I have been thinking. However, I would suggest that the sample issues be special issues offered only a few times a year, that are shorter and without every feature. There would be adds for the missing features.</p>
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		<title>By: Geekomancer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geekomancer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 19:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IanT - I completely agree... being an avid comics reader myself, I see about the community aspect. The way around that would be to layer the community discussions. You could have a discussion area per season, and inside each main Season, you could have staggered sub-forums for each installment.

I really don&#039;t think it&#039;s much of an obstacle. As any comic reader know, Spoiler  Warnings abound :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IanT &#8211; I completely agree&#8230; being an avid comics reader myself, I see about the community aspect. The way around that would be to layer the community discussions. You could have a discussion area per season, and inside each main Season, you could have staggered sub-forums for each installment.</p>
<p>I really don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s much of an obstacle. As any comic reader know, Spoiler  Warnings abound <img src='http://hollylisle.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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