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		<title>By: Holly Lisle</title>
		<link>http://hollylisle.com/men-women-writing-and-getting-laid/comment-page-1/#comment-9268</link>
		<dc:creator>Holly Lisle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jun 2011 15:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;And your personal story of, umm “homosexual discovery” we’ll say, was hilarious. My question, What did your then-husband say to his co-worker the next day? That would make for an interesting short story.--Tomaszewski&lt;/i&gt;

That was the spouse who turned out to be both closet gay AND a pedophile.  I assume he told the guy who loaned them to him &quot;These were supposed to be for my closet stash in the attic, moron.&quot;  Yes, the police found he had one of those when they were searching the house for evidence to prove what he did to my kids---his own biological children.  He also had a gun hidden up there.

I&#039;d never been up there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>And your personal story of, umm “homosexual discovery” we’ll say, was hilarious. My question, What did your then-husband say to his co-worker the next day? That would make for an interesting short story.&#8211;Tomaszewski</i></p>
<p>That was the spouse who turned out to be both closet gay AND a pedophile.  I assume he told the guy who loaned them to him &#8220;These were supposed to be for my closet stash in the attic, moron.&#8221;  Yes, the police found he had one of those when they were searching the house for evidence to prove what he did to my kids&#8212;his own biological children.  He also had a gun hidden up there.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d never been up there.</p>
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		<title>By: Dawn</title>
		<link>http://hollylisle.com/men-women-writing-and-getting-laid/comment-page-1/#comment-9267</link>
		<dc:creator>Dawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 00:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh and smiling at the wrong guy can get you right in the middle of a sexual harassment triangle gone wrong... and searching for a new job, new friends, and a new life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and smiling at the wrong guy can get you right in the middle of a sexual harassment triangle gone wrong&#8230; and searching for a new job, new friends, and a new life.</p>
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		<title>By: Dawn</title>
		<link>http://hollylisle.com/men-women-writing-and-getting-laid/comment-page-1/#comment-9266</link>
		<dc:creator>Dawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 00:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While we were dating, my husband wrote a novel with one of his buddies.  I was thrilled!  He shared my love of writing.  Twelve years later, he hasn&#039;t written another marketable thing.  His interest took a left turn into role playing writing, so he IS still writing just for his own enjoyment.  I can respect that, but it&#039;s not as exciting as thinking we&#039;d one day be published together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While we were dating, my husband wrote a novel with one of his buddies.  I was thrilled!  He shared my love of writing.  Twelve years later, he hasn&#8217;t written another marketable thing.  His interest took a left turn into role playing writing, so he IS still writing just for his own enjoyment.  I can respect that, but it&#8217;s not as exciting as thinking we&#8217;d one day be published together.</p>
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		<title>By: Shawnese</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shawnese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 00:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole evolutionary biology bit has always fascinated me because even though humans are &quot;advanced&quot; in our capacity to create, destroy, and analyze we apply, albeit seemingly subconsciously, the same mate-attraction/acceptance principles as other animals. Women have a whole pool of men to choose from--and that&#039;s the point. Women are the ones who choose the men. This is paralled in nature: for example, in many birds it is the female who looks for accomplishments in the male, whether it be an impressive plume, beautiful nest, or fancy dance maneuvers to prove his genes are by far the best suited for her...and it&#039;s hilarious to watch. 

I definitely agree that watching people trying to hook up is amusing. In my freshman year of college I once watched this guy at a nearby table in the dining hall deep in conversation with his buddies. (Not that my focus was entirely on this one guy as I was scanning the room constantly, avoiding the chemistry note cards I was studying...) At any rate, a girl with an extremely short skirt or shorts or something (it was 5 years ago and my memory is not that great) bent over near him to pick something up from the ground and I watched the guy stop midsentence and fixate on her rear until she stood upright again. It was hilarious. 

On another note entirely. I write for fun. I write to sleep at night and not dream about waves crashing over my head or getting into rollover accidents in the midst of a busy intersection--I write and read to keep myself from getting overwhelmed with the day to day work of earning my current degree, pursuing my future degree, and living up to my own goals that I&#039;ve set far above my reasonable reach just to watch myself work that hard for them. In other words I&#039;m high stress and writing is my escape. I can create and destroy and analyze my world, my motives, my relationships through and within my writing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole evolutionary biology bit has always fascinated me because even though humans are &#8220;advanced&#8221; in our capacity to create, destroy, and analyze we apply, albeit seemingly subconsciously, the same mate-attraction/acceptance principles as other animals. Women have a whole pool of men to choose from&#8211;and that&#8217;s the point. Women are the ones who choose the men. This is paralled in nature: for example, in many birds it is the female who looks for accomplishments in the male, whether it be an impressive plume, beautiful nest, or fancy dance maneuvers to prove his genes are by far the best suited for her&#8230;and it&#8217;s hilarious to watch. </p>
<p>I definitely agree that watching people trying to hook up is amusing. In my freshman year of college I once watched this guy at a nearby table in the dining hall deep in conversation with his buddies. (Not that my focus was entirely on this one guy as I was scanning the room constantly, avoiding the chemistry note cards I was studying&#8230;) At any rate, a girl with an extremely short skirt or shorts or something (it was 5 years ago and my memory is not that great) bent over near him to pick something up from the ground and I watched the guy stop midsentence and fixate on her rear until she stood upright again. It was hilarious. </p>
<p>On another note entirely. I write for fun. I write to sleep at night and not dream about waves crashing over my head or getting into rollover accidents in the midst of a busy intersection&#8211;I write and read to keep myself from getting overwhelmed with the day to day work of earning my current degree, pursuing my future degree, and living up to my own goals that I&#8217;ve set far above my reasonable reach just to watch myself work that hard for them. In other words I&#8217;m high stress and writing is my escape. I can create and destroy and analyze my world, my motives, my relationships through and within my writing.</p>
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		<title>By: Tomaszewski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tomaszewski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 01:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;God complex&quot; is entirely accurate. :D

   I have to say I am really enjoying the focused tangents of &quot;love/sex/attraction&quot; that this post has opened up.  So many individual reactions to a common thread, it&#039;s a wonder anyone is conceived anymore.  :D  

And your personal story of, umm &quot;homosexual discovery&quot; we&#039;ll say, was hilarious.  My question, What did your then-husband say to his co-worker the next day?  That would make for an interesting short story. 

Thanks for sharing :p</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;God complex&#8221; is entirely accurate. <img src='http://hollylisle.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>   I have to say I am really enjoying the focused tangents of &#8220;love/sex/attraction&#8221; that this post has opened up.  So many individual reactions to a common thread, it&#8217;s a wonder anyone is conceived anymore.  <img src='http://hollylisle.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />   </p>
<p>And your personal story of, umm &#8220;homosexual discovery&#8221; we&#8217;ll say, was hilarious.  My question, What did your then-husband say to his co-worker the next day?  That would make for an interesting short story. </p>
<p>Thanks for sharing :p</p>
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		<title>By: Holly Lisle</title>
		<link>http://hollylisle.com/men-women-writing-and-getting-laid/comment-page-1/#comment-9263</link>
		<dc:creator>Holly Lisle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I can understand not wanting to date someone thirty years younger than you.  I&#039;d find that uncomfortable.  But unless she had a VERY interesting life, men ten years younger aren&#039;t even close to being in the &quot;I could have given birth to you&quot; range. :D

And, yes, for me, thirty years older wouldn&#039;t work, either.

For me, my mental comfort zone fits inside the brackets of the fact that I&#039;m 23 years older than my oldest child, and 19 years younger than my youngest parent.  My &quot;older than me&quot; range was a bit narrower than my &quot;younger than me&quot; range.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I can understand not wanting to date someone thirty years younger than you.  I&#8217;d find that uncomfortable.  But unless she had a VERY interesting life, men ten years younger aren&#8217;t even close to being in the &#8220;I could have given birth to you&#8221; range. <img src='http://hollylisle.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>And, yes, for me, thirty years older wouldn&#8217;t work, either.</p>
<p>For me, my mental comfort zone fits inside the brackets of the fact that I&#8217;m 23 years older than my oldest child, and 19 years younger than my youngest parent.  My &#8220;older than me&#8221; range was a bit narrower than my &#8220;younger than me&#8221; range.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True. You don&#039;t smile back unless you are immediately 100% sure that you want to be chased by this guy right now. If you&#039;re not 100% sure you want to go there this second, you look away. 

Man, heterosexuality sucks. Reading this post made me wish I could go for women sexually, because I&#039;m far more of a &quot;showoff&quot; than a &quot;just let any old dude come to me&quot; girl.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True. You don&#8217;t smile back unless you are immediately 100% sure that you want to be chased by this guy right now. If you&#8217;re not 100% sure you want to go there this second, you look away. </p>
<p>Man, heterosexuality sucks. Reading this post made me wish I could go for women sexually, because I&#8217;m far more of a &#8220;showoff&#8221; than a &#8220;just let any old dude come to me&#8221; girl.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eh, I can understand why djmills is uncomfortable dating someone she could have given birth to. Not all of us can pull off the cougar. I have known the occasional younger guy who was genuinely mature, but in my experience, they had it rough growing up and HAD to grow up early, so they are comfortable with older chicks mentally.

I, on the other hand, am 31, look like I am 12 (not kidding about this at all), and 90% of the people attracted to me are 40-50-year old men. Uggggggggggh. I feel like they&#039;re all wannabe pedophiles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eh, I can understand why djmills is uncomfortable dating someone she could have given birth to. Not all of us can pull off the cougar. I have known the occasional younger guy who was genuinely mature, but in my experience, they had it rough growing up and HAD to grow up early, so they are comfortable with older chicks mentally.</p>
<p>I, on the other hand, am 31, look like I am 12 (not kidding about this at all), and 90% of the people attracted to me are 40-50-year old men. Uggggggggggh. I feel like they&#8217;re all wannabe pedophiles.</p>
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		<title>By: Krista</title>
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		<dc:creator>Krista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting timing.  I&#039;ve been thinking about my pursuit of publication vs. the actual act of writing.  Other than reading, I can&#039;t think of anything I enjoy more.  I love surprising myself.  I am continually surprised by the detours my characters make while making their way steadily toward their individual goals.  

Oh, sure, sometimes I get frustrated and overwhelmed, worried that I&#039;ve lost my way and the characters have mutinied.  But most of the time, it&#039;s the rush that keeps me going.  That feeling of being a conduit rather than a creator is addicting. 

The pressure of publication on the other hand is paralyzing.  It dampens the rush of creating with a dose of reality.  Suddenly I&#039;m writing for an unknown audience.  Mistakes will get me thrown out of the game, at least temporarily.  Suddenly there&#039;s pressure and fear, uncertainty and second-guessing.  

Still, I want to be published.  I want to see my name on the book cover and on the binding.  I want to walk into a store and know that something I created from nothing could provide some stranger a night or two of entertainment.  For that is probably my ultimate goal, I want to entertain someone other than myself.  Sharing is half the fun, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting timing.  I&#8217;ve been thinking about my pursuit of publication vs. the actual act of writing.  Other than reading, I can&#8217;t think of anything I enjoy more.  I love surprising myself.  I am continually surprised by the detours my characters make while making their way steadily toward their individual goals.  </p>
<p>Oh, sure, sometimes I get frustrated and overwhelmed, worried that I&#8217;ve lost my way and the characters have mutinied.  But most of the time, it&#8217;s the rush that keeps me going.  That feeling of being a conduit rather than a creator is addicting. </p>
<p>The pressure of publication on the other hand is paralyzing.  It dampens the rush of creating with a dose of reality.  Suddenly I&#8217;m writing for an unknown audience.  Mistakes will get me thrown out of the game, at least temporarily.  Suddenly there&#8217;s pressure and fear, uncertainty and second-guessing.  </p>
<p>Still, I want to be published.  I want to see my name on the book cover and on the binding.  I want to walk into a store and know that something I created from nothing could provide some stranger a night or two of entertainment.  For that is probably my ultimate goal, I want to entertain someone other than myself.  Sharing is half the fun, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Holly Lisle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Holly Lisle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We smiled back at the boy in sixth grade who then took that an an invitation to put an arm around us and bluntly stare down our blouse to see if our boobs were real...yes, they were.

Okay.  So this wasn&#039;t &quot;we.&#039;&#039;  This was me.  But most women have an early experience where we discovered that someone had changed the rules when we weren&#039;t looking, and a smile no longer just meant &quot;Hi.&quot;  It carried baggage.  So we stopped smiling.

It took me years to get past that, to be able to smile at men again.  Some women just don&#039;t.  Those first few experiences can be pretty rough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We smiled back at the boy in sixth grade who then took that an an invitation to put an arm around us and bluntly stare down our blouse to see if our boobs were real&#8230;yes, they were.</p>
<p>Okay.  So this wasn&#8217;t &#8220;we.&#8221;  This was me.  But most women have an early experience where we discovered that someone had changed the rules when we weren&#8217;t looking, and a smile no longer just meant &#8220;Hi.&#8221;  It carried baggage.  So we stopped smiling.</p>
<p>It took me years to get past that, to be able to smile at men again.  Some women just don&#8217;t.  Those first few experiences can be pretty rough.</p>
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